Commando and MaMa,<br /><br />Hey men, below I have pasted a PM Parm sent me on COF in response to a post I made agreeing with Zink&#39;s comments under the topic &quot;Thoughts&quot; by Spaceman Spiff.  I also included my response to that PM he sent me.  <!--sizeo:3--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><b>PLEASE DON&#39;T SHARE THIS W/ANYONE ELSE </b><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->as I don&#39;t want to further the whole mess but I did want to get your feedback.  I honestly am  a little hurt by some of the criticalness that I have received since leaving the clan.  Just send me your thoughts please. <br />Jeremiah<br />---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><br /><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I&#39;m not replying in the thread because I don&#39;t wish to further your personal arguments with people in COF.  But why are you still making these arguments here?  You left COF and made clear how you felt.  I really don&#39;t think too many people still in COF care about the trash talking or whatever admins did to certain people.   The people that did have left the clan.  <br /><br />I really don&#39;t know details of what happened, and don&#39;t really care.  From what I have heard admins said bad things about people in private forums, or openly, whatever.  You all are really acting like children about this stuff.  If someone says something bad about me then I don&#39;t buy them a beer at the bar later, I don&#39;t invite them to my wedding, or I leave their clan if it really upsets me but I don&#39;t go around telling everyone else about how awful they are.<br /><br />If you really care (or even if you could care less) about COF&#39;s future and the people still in it, let it go and let us move on.  If you guys are out to destroy COF over some personal vendetta than continue to turn every post into a &quot;why I hate the admins, why I left, why you guys are all jerks&quot; post, because that&#39;s what will work (until the admins finally get sick of it and ban you).<br /><br />You all are acting as if they threatened you or your family or something, and again, I don&#39;t know what happened, but I highly doubt that.  I have never said anything bad about anyone in this clan past or present.  Some may say I did about Mama, but I didn&#39;t express myself correctly then and was just trying to address how COF&#39;s were running up scores, and apologized.  So take this from someone who hopefully you don&#39;t have some personal issue with, if you want to come on the forums and chat, great.  If you want to come on the server and have fun, great.  But otherwise grow up, get over it, and move on with your life.  No one holds anything against you, and if they do, let them trash talk you in their private forums and feel big about themselves, it really doesn&#39;t matter.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br /><br />MY RESPONSE: <br /><br />Parm,<br /><br />Just for the record, my comments are not just directed at behind the scenes stuff that occured that most people cannot see, it is in reference to open stuff that occured on the server.  Maybe you werent&#39; around enough to hear people talk about others or see people type things about other players or to have the continues accusations of hacking about certain players.  If you missed all of that, then good, but I didn&#39;t.  <br /><br />Also, don&#39;t accuse me of trying to hurt COF.  I find that quite bothersome.  Even after I saw and heard that stuff go on on the server, I stayed at COF.  I stayed because I hoped it would change.  It didn&#39;t so I decided to leave.  How are you accusing me of &quot;trash talking&quot; ?  How could you accuse me of having a &quot;personal vendetta&quot;?  I mean come on Parm.  I&#39;m acting like a child by trying to hopefully open some eyes to what went on?  You can&#39;t be serious.  <br /><br />Additionally, I have NEVER&#33; named a single name to talk bad about someone.  How dare you accuse me of that.  I have not gone around anywhere sharing with anyone how &quot;aweful&quot; anyone is.  I have kept all of my comment to the COF forums hoping that some might wake up to the harm they are causing.  I have also never said I hate anyone at COF nor that anyone is a jerk.  Where do you get such things?  I have said exactly the opposite&#33;  <br /><br />If you think my comments have anything to do with MaMa, as your post implies, you are crazy wrong.  I have no idea if anything was said to MaMa or not.  Nothing I have posted has anything to do MaMa.  It has everything to do with what I have seen and read with my own eyes and heard with my own two ears.  <br /><br />You said &quot; So take this from someone who hopefully you don&#39;t have some personal issue with...&quot;  .... I don&#39;t have a personal issue with anyone.  Are you kidding me?  Have you ever seen me mention that?  Have you ever heard me say that?  Have you ever heard me mention a name?  I have seen multiply people mention names and make accusations on the server about others in the clan and outside of the clan, but I have NEVER repeated who those people were.   I can&#39;t believe you would tell me to grow up and not have the facts straight.  <br /><br />You ask anyone who is involved with this and you will find that I have been a long ways from attacking anyone.  Quite honestly Parm, though I dont&#39; know you very well, I am disappointed and a bit hurt that you could accuse me the way you have without knowing me or without really having any of the factual assessments correct.  <br /><br />I wish you the very best Parm, and even if you don&#39;t believe it, I do hope for COF&#39;s success but I still think that will necessitate a change in some attitudes and certainly a stopping of the personal attacks that caused a lot of problems.<br /><br />May you be blessed beyond measure.<br /><br />Jeremiah, TBP